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law enforcement in the u.s. rather than pakistan. >> i was talking to the fbi agent who started boston's first join the terrorism task force. among the things he was amazed to really talk about is that back in the '80s and '90s, you simply didn't have everyone walking around with a miniaturized and exceptionally powerful surveillance tool that could then be called upon to turn a fleeting moment of existence and a memory that might fade into data that can be harvested and analyzed. that was quite an amazing thing from his perspective about u ultimately knowing what that gets you. >> the existence of that data, the existence of the data in the public sphere, the data being sent to police and the way in which the kind of crowd sourcing amateur investigation was intersecting with, sometimes derailing the official investigation, the way that things that were spotted on an internet thread would end up in an official's e-mail which would then end up back reported out. >> we have lessons about how this might look going
law enforcement in the u.s. rather than pakistan. >> i was talking to the fbi agent who started boston's first join the terrorism task force. among the things he was amazed to really talk about is that back in the '80s and '90s, you simply didn't have everyone walking around with a miniaturized and exceptionally powerful surveillance tool that could then be called upon to turn a fleeting moment of existence and a memory that might fade into data that can be harvested and analyzed. that...
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incredible job by law enforcement that he was brought in alive. suspect, once again, dzhokar tsarnaev, suspect number two in the bombing, was just brought in live. kerry? >> yeah, wayne metrano is here with us. i thought we would ask a resident held captive in his home here since last night, okay, so the final conclusion here is, that the suspect has been taken into custody and he is alive. so your thoughts about what you have been through in the past 24 hours. the fact he is in custody and wait it has concluded here. >> well, again, i was woken by the explosions which were just a mere 30, 35 feet from where i live here in watertown. and rapid gunfire which obviously got my curiosity. and the police and military is something like i have never seen before. >> how unsettling is it for you to be in your home, not allowed to leave until 6:00 today. then after being let out, discovering okay, just a short distance from here, they may have found the suspect. >> it is strain nj this respect, that watertown is a very, very easy going, very community type
incredible job by law enforcement that he was brought in alive. suspect, once again, dzhokar tsarnaev, suspect number two in the bombing, was just brought in live. kerry? >> yeah, wayne metrano is here with us. i thought we would ask a resident held captive in his home here since last night, okay, so the final conclusion here is, that the suspect has been taken into custody and he is alive. so your thoughts about what you have been through in the past 24 hours. the fact he is in custody...
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law enforcement in full s.w.a.t. gear sweeping home-to-home, door-to-door looking for a suspect in monday's marathon bombing. >> it's turned into a war zone of sorts. chief timmony of philadelphia is telling us to do what you're seeing and go door-to-door and approach people one by one. but also to use loud speakers in the streets to let people to literally let people know in no uncertain terms that they cannot leave their homes. they also did have some reports overnight there might be a building that they might know that the suspect is in there but if he slipped away, who knows. the hope is they can find this guy as soon as possible. let's go live now to lester holt who joins us. i believe he is in walkertown. lester? >> i'm working with a pretty experienced crew and all of us are shaking our heads not having seen anything like this. an entire community shut down and transit system and schools shut down for the search of one suspect but what a dangerous suspect he is. suspect number two the white hat man from the fb
law enforcement in full s.w.a.t. gear sweeping home-to-home, door-to-door looking for a suspect in monday's marathon bombing. >> it's turned into a war zone of sorts. chief timmony of philadelphia is telling us to do what you're seeing and go door-to-door and approach people one by one. but also to use loud speakers in the streets to let people to literally let people know in no uncertain terms that they cannot leave their homes. they also did have some reports overnight there might be a...
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n this care the law specifically includes explosives, so a bomb is for the purposes of federal law, a weapon of mass destruction. now, he will be charged with using that the normal punishment for using one is life in prison but if death results, as it did here, three people killed in the marathon, then the government could seek the death penalty. >> when do they expect to start questioning the suspect? >> you know, the best word i have on that is not going to be today, could be tomorrow, dippeds on how he is doing. i don't have a very good idea of his medical condition but i guess the feeling is that it's not as bad as some have said. he can speak. but that perhaps it's not ready -- not time to start questioning him yet. but the charges could still come today. they can charge him and then the questioning and the charging are independent at this phase. >> talk to me a little bit more about this unique group that's actually going to be conducting the interrogation. >> well, in the first phase, what the government will do here is invoke something called the public safety exception. any
n this care the law specifically includes explosives, so a bomb is for the purposes of federal law, a weapon of mass destruction. now, he will be charged with using that the normal punishment for using one is life in prison but if death results, as it did here, three people killed in the marathon, then the government could seek the death penalty. >> when do they expect to start questioning the suspect? >> you know, the best word i have on that is not going to be today, could be...
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enforcement task forces throughout the country, state law enforcement and local law enforcement. the question becomes, how can we strengthen these relationships beyond just a relationship that's taken place historically. >> really quick here, 30 seconds, because there is a great deal of ignorance in this country when it comes to the islamic faith. for folks who don't understand the difference between islam and radical islam, give us the 101 here? >> well, islam represents peace, will be islam condemns killing people. you know, we often hear the words "jihad," but the jihad reference largely references an internal wrestling with good and evil, within one's self. not what we're seeing and not some of the crazies that are purporting to represent the faith. no different than having the ku klux klan claiming to represent christianity. >> appreciate your time, sir. >> an honor, sir. >>> as the people in boston mourn the dead and tend to the wou wou wounded, they are also starting the process of moving on. i'll talk about what they're doing now, how they're going to go about doing that.
enforcement task forces throughout the country, state law enforcement and local law enforcement. the question becomes, how can we strengthen these relationships beyond just a relationship that's taken place historically. >> really quick here, 30 seconds, because there is a great deal of ignorance in this country when it comes to the islamic faith. for folks who don't understand the difference between islam and radical islam, give us the 101 here? >> well, islam represents peace,...
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police and law enforcement are searching high and low for those two men. meantime, in watertown, massachusetts, that's right near boston, a mass impolice and military presence where officials believe the 19-year-old man dzhokhar tsarnaev could be holed up. the crews are planning to wait him out. local police say they could continue through the weekend. nearby in cambridge, that is right near the home of the suspected bombers and their relatives, police plan to perform some sort of controlled explosion. also right now in southern massachusetts, the campus of umass dartmouth is being evacuated. the school has confirmed someone connected to the bombings is enrolled as a student there. we're trying to clear up those details for you. we know this began last night with reports of gunfire on the m.i.t. campus. police say the man shot and killed 26-year-old sean collier, an m.i.t. police officer, who was just sitting in his cruiser. his broad was riddled with several gunshots. the two men car jacked a mercedes suv at gunpoint. police began a chase while those susp
police and law enforcement are searching high and low for those two men. meantime, in watertown, massachusetts, that's right near boston, a mass impolice and military presence where officials believe the 19-year-old man dzhokhar tsarnaev could be holed up. the crews are planning to wait him out. local police say they could continue through the weekend. nearby in cambridge, that is right near the home of the suspected bombers and their relatives, police plan to perform some sort of controlled...
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law enforcement wants to enter on their own time and take their time. they don't want to do a tactical entry unless they have no other choice for fear that somebody could get hurt to include this young man and people in law enforcement. >> we have former agent james cavanaugh with us. james, if you are with us, we have three crime scenes as clint has been talking about. that is part of the mosaic. what would your strategy bes we enter in? what is more or less hour 13 of what started yesterday? >> i agree with everything clint said and if i was commanding the tactical operation and trying to negotiate with the guy and the major talka thon. the negotiators really do want him to come out on his own. there is humanity here. we want him to surrounder. he is the guy with the information. we talked to roger about the community and all that information. he is exactly right. i agree with them. for the instant scene, you just have to get that information from him. >> thank you so much there for your perspective. james cavanaugh and kerry sanders has been watching
law enforcement wants to enter on their own time and take their time. they don't want to do a tactical entry unless they have no other choice for fear that somebody could get hurt to include this young man and people in law enforcement. >> we have former agent james cavanaugh with us. james, if you are with us, we have three crime scenes as clint has been talking about. that is part of the mosaic. what would your strategy bes we enter in? what is more or less hour 13 of what started...
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help. >>> to politics now where the newtown families are vowing to keep up the fight for tougher gun laws. one father called the whole thing a political game and said he won't go away. >>> the cokoch brothers are looking into buying "the l.a. times" and "chicago tribune." they invested hundreds of millions of dollars and given them to conservative and liqu libertarian causes. >> on thursday, george w. bush will be at his library but then says he'll step back and stay in touch with relatives includes his new grandchild. >>> president obama will host the white house science fair. last year the big hit was the president checking out the marshmallow cannon. >>> my must read is the story of tamerlan tsarnaev's wife described as the all-american girl. the mother of his young child. it's on our facebook page. what do you think? that's great. it won't take long, will it? nah. okay. this, won't take long will it? no, not at all. how many of these can we do on our budget? more than you think. didn't take very long, did it? this spring, dig in and save. that's nice. post it. already did. more saving
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bostonians and law enforcement? >> i think to an extent. i think most cities would react this way. i want to give tremendous credit to boston police and deval patrick. davis just stepped on the story about the saudi kid in the hospital being a suspect. absolutely from the jump. both of them. the one thing i really like about this given our history over the last couple of decade, this was a police transaction. they left the water board in the clo closet. this was shoe leather detectives and relying on the public. >> you can see the public appreciation. we're showing footage from fenway in terms of the way people are celebrating. not just with relief but saying thank you. we're so looking forward to reading what you write about this. thank you for being out there. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. we'll be right back. ♪ i don't wanna be right [ record scratch ] what?! it's not bad for you. it just tastes that way. [ female announcer ] honey nut cheerios cereal -- heart-healthy, whole grain oats. you can't go wrong lov
bostonians and law enforcement? >> i think to an extent. i think most cities would react this way. i want to give tremendous credit to boston police and deval patrick. davis just stepped on the story about the saudi kid in the hospital being a suspect. absolutely from the jump. both of them. the one thing i really like about this given our history over the last couple of decade, this was a police transaction. they left the water board in the clo closet. this was shoe leather detectives...
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there were dozens upon dozens of law enforcement officials exchanging gunfire with him. apparently they got out of the suv, then back into it, his brother was shot, wounded, almost killed, then they sort of drove -- he drove that suv himself away from there. and then fled on foot. but the question remains, how is somebody who is a 19-year-old kid, with no formal military training, who obviously was wounded, from what we know that he's here at the hospital, how he's able to evade capture for that long. apparently he used the cover of nightfall to find that boat, get underneath that tarp, and just sat there, and it was very, very close to where that incident had occurred. just a matter of blocks. in fact, our own kerry sanders yesterday had been in that vicinity for the duration of the day, and we knew this was starting to happen when kerry sanders goes we just heard gunshots. we just heard gunshots, folks moving a few blocks up. quite remarkable that he was able to evade capture, wounded, with no formal military training. that's certainly a question a lot of people are go
there were dozens upon dozens of law enforcement officials exchanging gunfire with him. apparently they got out of the suv, then back into it, his brother was shot, wounded, almost killed, then they sort of drove -- he drove that suv himself away from there. and then fled on foot. but the question remains, how is somebody who is a 19-year-old kid, with no formal military training, who obviously was wounded, from what we know that he's here at the hospital, how he's able to evade capture for...
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state law is also broken. typically in a terrorism context, domestically, we'd see that prosecution and several avenues to pursue the death penalty against the suspect. >> okay. thank you for that, ari. joining us now, again, james cavanaugh, hostage negotiator at the atf, as well as special agent in charge and former fbi criminal profiler clint van zandt. james, clear up something for me based on what we just heard. they're no longer looking for a third person. dzhokhar is the only person they're looking for. some folks were being allowed to leave work and go home. we also heard from governor patrick people should stay in their homes. putting all of these pieces together in your opinion, do they have dzhokhar cornered or do not know where he is? >> well, i think they think they have him in an area near watertown that's a block or some houses you keep seeing on the feed there. they think he's in there. they've set up a heavy perimeter there with the s.w.a.t. and srt teams and doing a methodical search. fact th
state law is also broken. typically in a terrorism context, domestically, we'd see that prosecution and several avenues to pursue the death penalty against the suspect. >> okay. thank you for that, ari. joining us now, again, james cavanaugh, hostage negotiator at the atf, as well as special agent in charge and former fbi criminal profiler clint van zandt. james, clear up something for me based on what we just heard. they're no longer looking for a third person. dzhokhar is the only...
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and that's what law enforcement is going to determine. there could be individuals who knew them, knew of them but had no reason to believe that they were going to do anything violent. those are some of the most pressing questions right now. so i mean there's three categories here -- the first is bring tsarnaev to justice, hopefully alive. identify any additional packages that could be ieds in the greater boston area. and then third, identify any individuals, other potential suspects or people of interest they just want to question. to understand what the broader conspiracy might have been. >> nbc news terrorism analyst, roger cressey. thanks for your time. >>> i want to bring in nbc's michael isikoff. who is with us in watertown. michael, we were seeing some helicopter activity in the skies over there. we know that there is a no-fly zone over much of boston. the city is on lockdown. can you give us an update? >> exactly, alex. for about the last 15 minutes we've had military style helicopters circling above us here. this is where we are i
and that's what law enforcement is going to determine. there could be individuals who knew them, knew of them but had no reason to believe that they were going to do anything violent. those are some of the most pressing questions right now. so i mean there's three categories here -- the first is bring tsarnaev to justice, hopefully alive. identify any additional packages that could be ieds in the greater boston area. and then third, identify any individuals, other potential suspects or people...
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bostonians and law enforcement? >> i think to an extent. i wouldn't make it bostonians. i think most cities would react this way. i want to say a couple of things. i want to give tremendous credit to boston police and deval patrick. and to police commissioner ed davis, both of whom had terrific weeks. from the very first press conference after the bombing where, among other things, ed davis just stepped on the whole story about the saudi kid in the hospital being a suspect. absolutely from the jump. went and did that. both of them. the one thing i really like about this given our history over the last couple of decade, this was a police action. there wasn't need for patriot act or warrantless wiretapping or enhanced interrogation techniques. they left the water board in the closet. this was cops being cops. this was grinding forensic work and shoe leather detective work and door-to-door searches and relying on the public and making the public a part of it. >> you can see the public appreciation. we're showing footag
bostonians and law enforcement? >> i think to an extent. i wouldn't make it bostonians. i think most cities would react this way. i want to say a couple of things. i want to give tremendous credit to boston police and deval patrick. and to police commissioner ed davis, both of whom had terrific weeks. from the very first press conference after the bombing where, among other things, ed davis just stepped on the whole story about the saudi kid in the hospital being a suspect. absolutely...
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that was mostly law enforcement. i'm afraid he's in the boat and he's wounded by those police combat rifles and that he's bleeding out severely and they cannot get to him because of the fear of having a suicide vest on, i'm afraid this terrorist is going to bleed out in the boat and that may be his fate. normally police would rush up, even though he just shot at them and they would apply pressure, tourniquets, life saving ambulance, you can't do that here. what you've got to do is get the robot to go up there, look in there, see if there's a bomb and if there's not try to look around. if there is a bomb, dismantle the bomb. i would say this doesn't bode well for him surviving because if he's bleeding and he's going to be bleeding after that exchange, he's not probably going to last very long. >> let me play it again for everyone who just missed that. this is quite dramatic. here's the shooting apparently of the suspect. [ gunfire ] >> you know, clint van zandt, we've been through a lot of these and it's like from a n
that was mostly law enforcement. i'm afraid he's in the boat and he's wounded by those police combat rifles and that he's bleeding out severely and they cannot get to him because of the fear of having a suicide vest on, i'm afraid this terrorist is going to bleed out in the boat and that may be his fate. normally police would rush up, even though he just shot at them and they would apply pressure, tourniquets, life saving ambulance, you can't do that here. what you've got to do is get the robot...
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there is a provision that allows in case law that allows for law enforcement to wait if they think there is a national security threat or a danger to the public until they've talked to the person and established there isn't a danger to the public or gotten the information they need. then they can read the miranda rights. that's what the fbi has done in this case. that's what they did in the new york time square bomber. that worked quite well. they talk to him for a while before they read him his rights. then they read him his rights. he kept and he provided very valuable information. we know that the traditional civilian court system founded by the founding fathers can work in this situation. >> let me ask you a couple questions. if the russian government was so concerned about tamerlan as to alert our fbi and our government, and warrant an investigation of him, why are we so sure that dzhokhar is not connected to a cell of some sort back at home that might then make him an enemy combatant and then, two, if he is name an enemy combatant and treated as an everybody me combatant, that does
there is a provision that allows in case law that allows for law enforcement to wait if they think there is a national security threat or a danger to the public until they've talked to the person and established there isn't a danger to the public or gotten the information they need. then they can read the miranda rights. that's what the fbi has done in this case. that's what they did in the new york time square bomber. that worked quite well. they talk to him for a while before they read him...
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this is a universal law enforcement effort to get it done. >> in terms of law enforcement when you pursue someone like this, this is the worst case scenario. is it not someone not hesitant to kill and not afraid to die. >> not afraid. one of the reasons i believe that the police waited until 5:00 yesterday to release the photos was to wait until the president was out of town. wait until the crowd at the service was dispursed. if they released the photo earlier, there would have been tremendous liability and panic and risk. by releasing it at 5:00 p.m., it happened when they were asleep. they anticipated that this could happen and it did. they are controlling the city as best they can. i think it was strategic to do it this way. >> they are not stopping the investigation while this is going on. they have been looking carefully at the bomb components and they are trying to use that information to track where the components came from. potentially to lead them to other accomplices that they may be. >> no question about it. examining the and the components allows you to trace back to the manuf
this is a universal law enforcement effort to get it done. >> in terms of law enforcement when you pursue someone like this, this is the worst case scenario. is it not someone not hesitant to kill and not afraid to die. >> not afraid. one of the reasons i believe that the police waited until 5:00 yesterday to release the photos was to wait until the president was out of town. wait until the crowd at the service was dispursed. if they released the photo earlier, there would have been...
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law the united states citizens can not be tried in military commissions. and it is important to remember that since 9/11, we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists. >> tsarnaev now lies under armed guard unable to speak due to what may be a self-inflicted gunshot wound in his neck. authorities continue to question him, relying on written answers at this point. but his answers may be somewhat less important in his prosecution given the volume of evidence in the federal complaint, including description of video after the first explosion. "bomber two virtually alone among the individuals in front of the restaurant appears calm. he glances to the east and then calmly, but rapidly, begins moving to the west. away from the direction of the finish line. he walks away without his knapsack. having left it on the ground where he'd been standing. approximately ten seconds later, an explosion occurs." the complaint also contains details from the carjacking victim who says one of the suspects said to him, "did you hear abou
law the united states citizens can not be tried in military commissions. and it is important to remember that since 9/11, we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists. >> tsarnaev now lies under armed guard unable to speak due to what may be a self-inflicted gunshot wound in his neck. authorities continue to question him, relying on written answers at this point. but his answers may be somewhat less important in his prosecution given the volume...
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and i think it's fair to say the law isn't completely clear on this. let's us be clear on what we're talking about here. we're talking about the miranda warning. you have a right to remain silent. anything you say can be used against you. you have the right to a lawyer, all that stuff. what the united states government has decided to do is invoke an exception to that rule. which says that when there is a danger to public safety and you need to get answers quickly, you can get the answers without the miranda rights and still use that information in court. so when does the clock tick on that period of the public safety exception? the moment you make an arrest, the moment you begin an interrogation, what? i mean, i think the justice department will take the position that it begins the moment they begin talking to him. but i suppose his lawyers can certainly say that the time had elapsed so much since his arrest that it's hard to assert that exception. my guess is that there's no clear rule here in the federal government. this is kind of a legal rule that'
and i think it's fair to say the law isn't completely clear on this. let's us be clear on what we're talking about here. we're talking about the miranda warning. you have a right to remain silent. anything you say can be used against you. you have the right to a lawyer, all that stuff. what the united states government has decided to do is invoke an exception to that rule. which says that when there is a danger to public safety and you need to get answers quickly, you can get the answers...
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the law enforcement people did much better job than i expected. i certainly did not expect on monday as we tried to digest this terrible crime that they would have gotten the two guys responsible so quickly. it's part of the problem we have in america. can we take a moment to say isn't it good that it worked out this well, that combined law enforcement, federal, state, and local got together? instead there's this need to fight about things, some of which i say are not terribly significant. as far as the demand that he be treated as an enemy combatant. that's like, gee, let me get on television and put on a reflex that's a bit premature and also baseless. >> you look at the post-9/11 world and the things that changed in this country, some of them independently, some of them as a matter of congressional action. and i think this will raise some other questions that congress will debate, one of which will have to do with the budget and how in a time when fewer dollars are available and they're making decisions about how they should be apportioned, how
the law enforcement people did much better job than i expected. i certainly did not expect on monday as we tried to digest this terrible crime that they would have gotten the two guys responsible so quickly. it's part of the problem we have in america. can we take a moment to say isn't it good that it worked out this well, that combined law enforcement, federal, state, and local got together? instead there's this need to fight about things, some of which i say are not terribly significant. as...
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and law enforcement officials need to be careful. it's totally legal and proper in case of an imminent threat to waive the miranda rights but they've got to prove, if we want this guy, if he's guilty of going away for a long time or subject to the death penalty. they have to prove not that he placed the backpack on the parade route or the finish line, but he knew what was in it and he knew what was going to happen. that won't be an easy case to prosecute. unless they do everything right and they don't want to find out something before he is been given the miranda right that they cannot then use in trial. >> mike, the aclu has been i think tough and fair-minded about the administration's use of, the aclu's issues with the obama administration and their sort of tactics in the great war on terror. how much do you think that the white house has sort of come around on some of these issues? i mean there's a lot of talk about the expansion of privileges, a continuation of the bush administration tactics. here's a case where they seem to try
and law enforcement officials need to be careful. it's totally legal and proper in case of an imminent threat to waive the miranda rights but they've got to prove, if we want this guy, if he's guilty of going away for a long time or subject to the death penalty. they have to prove not that he placed the backpack on the parade route or the finish line, but he knew what was in it and he knew what was going to happen. that won't be an easy case to prosecute. unless they do everything right and...
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when we return we're going to get into the law of this case. dzhokhar tsarnaev was formally charged today. he'll be prosecuted through the criminal justice system despite republicans who say he should be treated as an enemy combatant. >>> later, the russian connection. we have new details about the older brother, tamerlan, and his six-month trip overseas to russia, that area, as he became increasingly more devout in his religion and radicalism. >>> here in washington, the marathon bombings have already started to change the debate on things like -- you knew this was coming -- immigration. >>> finally, life started to return to normal this weekend in boston. i was up there as the slow healing begins. this is "hardball." as we say up there, "hardball." the place for politics. >>> he will not be treated as an enemy combatant. we will prosecute this terrorist through our civilian system of justice. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was of course, white house spokesman jay carney short by before 1:00 p.m. today making clear the boston suspect will
when we return we're going to get into the law of this case. dzhokhar tsarnaev was formally charged today. he'll be prosecuted through the criminal justice system despite republicans who say he should be treated as an enemy combatant. >>> later, the russian connection. we have new details about the older brother, tamerlan, and his six-month trip overseas to russia, that area, as he became increasingly more devout in his religion and radicalism. >>> here in washington, the...
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law enforcement suggests they've been through about 80% of that. we are looking for a needle in a haystack. and look, we know his brother took a lot of hits in the gunfight with law enforcement last night before he was killed. you might suggest that this 19-year-old man we're looking for, he may have been hit, too. so he could have crawled under a building someplace. he could be barricaded inside of a house somewhere by himself, or holding a hostage, or he may, just may have been able to steal another car and our worst case scenario and get out of town. once law enforcement finishes this search of this 20 square block, then they have to regroup and figure out what cars have been stolen in the area that he might have used to get away from, or did we miss him and do we go back again? and, chris, i know we're going into the weekend, but how long do you keep a city like this bottled up and tell everybody to stay inside? >> well, is there any way of tracking besides basically hard target, i mean, just searching block by block, inch by inch, going throug
law enforcement suggests they've been through about 80% of that. we are looking for a needle in a haystack. and look, we know his brother took a lot of hits in the gunfight with law enforcement last night before he was killed. you might suggest that this 19-year-old man we're looking for, he may have been hit, too. so he could have crawled under a building someplace. he could be barricaded inside of a house somewhere by himself, or holding a hostage, or he may, just may have been able to steal...
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that's the single element i think that runs through all of american law enforcement. when events like this occur, the nation is always reminded you have your bravery, but unfortunately having attended so many funerals and memorial services for law enforcement officers in my career, i not only think of your bravery, but the first thoughts i have is of your families. because every day when you get up and pin on that shield and walk out that door, your husband, your wife, your mother, your father, your brother, your sister, they know -- they know it's naggy that anything could happen. yesterday they assistant with you, they support you, and they have the courage to encourage you. to do what you do. so i want to thank not only sean's family for their willingness to support their brother, their son, taking on this work, but all of your husbands and wives, fathers and mothers, and children, we owe you so much more than just honoring you on days of grief and celebration. there's a line from an english poet keats. he said -- they also serve who only stand and wait. your famil
that's the single element i think that runs through all of american law enforcement. when events like this occur, the nation is always reminded you have your bravery, but unfortunately having attended so many funerals and memorial services for law enforcement officers in my career, i not only think of your bravery, but the first thoughts i have is of your families. because every day when you get up and pin on that shield and walk out that door, your husband, your wife, your mother, your father,...
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you welcomed me as a young law student across the river. you welcomed michelle, too. you welcomed me -- welcomed me during a convention when i was still a state senator and very few people could pronounce my name right. like you, michelle and i have walked these streets. like you, we know these neighborhoods. like you, in this moment of grief, we join you in saying boston, you're my home. for millions of us, what happened on monday is personal. it's personal. today our prayers are with the campbell family of medford. they're here today. their daughter crystal was always smiling. those who knew her said with her red hair and freckles and her ever-eager willingness to speak her mind, she was beautiful, sometimes she would be a little noisy. and everybody loved her for it. she would have turned 30 next month. as her mother said, through her tears, this doesn't make any sense. our prayers are with the liu family of china, who sent their daughter to b.u. so she could experience all this city has to offer. she was a 23-year-old student far from home. and in the heartache of
you welcomed me as a young law student across the river. you welcomed michelle, too. you welcomed me -- welcomed me during a convention when i was still a state senator and very few people could pronounce my name right. like you, michelle and i have walked these streets. like you, we know these neighborhoods. like you, in this moment of grief, we join you in saying boston, you're my home. for millions of us, what happened on monday is personal. it's personal. today our prayers are with the...
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it's a matter for law enforcement. now on the question of the public safety exception. it is not necessary that the individual be designated an enemy combatant in order for him to be questioned without giving him miranda warnings, the exception emanates from a supreme court decision in the early '80s, called new york versus quarrels. the criminal suspect in that situation was not a terrorist, he was not part of any enemy force. he was arrested in a grocery store in queens. and the police asked him where is the loaded gun. he had a gun with him. they couldn't find it. and for public safety reasons, they needed to find the loaded weapon quickly. and they asked him the questions without mirandaizing him. so the public safety exception is domestic in nature. so it's completely unnecessary to call him an enemy combatant in the first place. >> they had a lot of guns, and this is part of the investigation. how do two brothers in cambridge, mass, get ahold of all of this weaponry, and create these bombs? now low-level, low-tech bombs, be that they were. can they do that all wit
it's a matter for law enforcement. now on the question of the public safety exception. it is not necessary that the individual be designated an enemy combatant in order for him to be questioned without giving him miranda warnings, the exception emanates from a supreme court decision in the early '80s, called new york versus quarrels. the criminal suspect in that situation was not a terrorist, he was not part of any enemy force. he was arrested in a grocery store in queens. and the police asked...
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he was here as a lawful resident. did he -- the thing i think that's the biggest question for investigators now is, "a," why did he turn this way? but, "b," where did he get his expertise in explosives? where did he practice them? it seems really unlikely these two bombs successfully were detonated without some practice runs. where did he learn to do that? where did he practice? those are the big questions. >> we look at the pictures of the suspects and biographical information we have, dzhokhar, who is the surviving suspect here, dzhokhar tsarnaev, is in hospital. tamerlan born in kyrgystan, comes in 2002. he becomes a u.s. citizen, 9/11/2012. he was a wrestler, enrolled at the university of massachusetts-dartmouth. so many friends talking so positively about him. tamerlan, his older brother, does that travel. he comes later than his younger brother. he was mayrried, had a 3-year-od daughter. had a domestic violence incident. he dropped out of community colle college. he was a competitive boxer. people speaking very
he was here as a lawful resident. did he -- the thing i think that's the biggest question for investigators now is, "a," why did he turn this way? but, "b," where did he get his expertise in explosives? where did he practice them? it seems really unlikely these two bombs successfully were detonated without some practice runs. where did he learn to do that? where did he practice? those are the big questions. >> we look at the pictures of the suspects and biographical...
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we have 50 massachusetts national guardsmen in watertown in a staging area with law enforcement. the entire city of boston is now being asked to shelter in place, as law enforcement officials methodically search for the second suspect and possibly concerned about a third. joining me live in watertown, katy tur, describe the scene that you're witnessing right now. >> it has got an lot more act aive here in the past few minutes. a police helicopter that is circling this area for the last 20 minutes or so. they are circling the area which is right over here, diagonal from where i am. we did see police cruisers speed that way and arm aered vehicles speed that way and we are hearing reports of some activity. we have reporters that are closer to the scene and they are saying that it does appear a bomb squad is going into a house. it's much more active than it was a few minutes ago. to give you an idea of where we are in relation to how everything has been happening. the shootout that happened early this morning happened in this general vicinity happened a couple blocks from here. that'
we have 50 massachusetts national guardsmen in watertown in a staging area with law enforcement. the entire city of boston is now being asked to shelter in place, as law enforcement officials methodically search for the second suspect and possibly concerned about a third. joining me live in watertown, katy tur, describe the scene that you're witnessing right now. >> it has got an lot more act aive here in the past few minutes. a police helicopter that is circling this area for the last 20...
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you know, what do they do when the law enforcement -- what does the fugitive do when law enforcement put their pictures out? we've done it many times over the years. you don't have choices, fight, flight or surrender. they fight, they fly or surrender. what do these guys do? fight and flight. they can't even decide to do. >> right. >> they're so discombobulated by the fact law enforcement is now on their tail. they're fighting and they're fleeing. their plans were all messed up. >> when you look at their psychology, you talked just now about the distinction between individuals prepared to lay bombs then ratcheting that up to actually strapping a vest on with an explosive. what about the distinction between a willingness to kill ordinary members of the public then actually murder police officers? because we know that a police officer at m.i.t. was murdered last night and they shot at another and he's currently in hospital. >> right. last night they were just in such a mode of escape and mission and suicide that who knows what they were going to do. they didn't even know what they were
you know, what do they do when the law enforcement -- what does the fugitive do when law enforcement put their pictures out? we've done it many times over the years. you don't have choices, fight, flight or surrender. they fight, they fly or surrender. what do these guys do? fight and flight. they can't even decide to do. >> right. >> they're so discombobulated by the fact law enforcement is now on their tail. they're fighting and they're fleeing. their plans were all messed up....
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. >> the reports of involvement by her husband and brother-in-law came as an absolute shock to them all. >> and in dagestan, the suspect's mother is adamant that her sons are innocent. >> what happened is a terrible thing, but i know that my kids have nothing to do with this. i know it. i am mother. >> joining us now from boston is nbc news national investigative correspondent michael isikoff. and frank silufo, director of the homeland security policy institute at george washington university. good afternoon, to both of you. mike, as the investigations continue both here and oversea, we understand that investigators are confident these brothers acted alone. even as their family members express utter bafflement. what are we learning about the larger case against these suspects? >> reporter: well first of all, this is looking, martin, more and more like a case of self-radicalization. now, nothing is conclusive and, you know, we're far from the end of this investigation right now. >> of course. of course. >> reporter: but the preliminary indicators, first, you have tsarnaev saying the two
. >> the reports of involvement by her husband and brother-in-law came as an absolute shock to them all. >> and in dagestan, the suspect's mother is adamant that her sons are innocent. >> what happened is a terrible thing, but i know that my kids have nothing to do with this. i know it. i am mother. >> joining us now from boston is nbc news national investigative correspondent michael isikoff. and frank silufo, director of the homeland security policy institute at george...
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new jersey's existing gun laws are already among the strictest in the nation. by the way, christie's move is a reminder he's still running for re-election, not for 2016 yet. >>> as we wait for formal charges to be brought against the 19-year-old marathon bombing suspect federal and state authorities are trying to determine what led up to last monday's attack and what red flags might have been missed. for more on that joined by nbc's national investigative correspondent michael isikoff. it seems to me the unanswered question everybody would like to know of, number one, where did these guys test? nobody believes this was the first time they did these bombs on monday. that they must have tested them somewhere. the second, what was tamerlan, the older brother, doing in russia for six months? >> reporter: exactly. there's so many unanswered questions here. but let's start with the -- that russian report to the fbi in 2011 asking them to investigate tamerlan. what sparked that -- the russian request? what information do they have? the fbi says that the russians didn'
new jersey's existing gun laws are already among the strictest in the nation. by the way, christie's move is a reminder he's still running for re-election, not for 2016 yet. >>> as we wait for formal charges to be brought against the 19-year-old marathon bombing suspect federal and state authorities are trying to determine what led up to last monday's attack and what red flags might have been missed. for more on that joined by nbc's national investigative correspondent michael isikoff....
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but in a post 9/11 world, we've always said if your community law enforcement, the community of law enforcement, political figures ask you to do certain things, listen carefully and do them. they've complied. and you look at these two individuals, you use one part of the family, use assimilation, it worked well. here, almost chameleon-like, one only knows what dented their hearts, what dented their heads, what ideological impulse drove them to this. but i think it sends a signal to all of us that these weren't necessarily sophisticated terrorists, no it will a grand design orchestrated from overseas, they may be amateurs, but they're lethal amateurs. unfortunately, that's the kind of reality we're going to be dealing with for quite some time. >> david gregory, the administration, according to chuck todd, there was a previously scheduled national security council meeting today. we know secretary of state kerry was meeting with his mexican counterpart. and at this hour, to all of you google hangout fans he and i were supposed to be in a moderated conversation right now and they had to postpone th
but in a post 9/11 world, we've always said if your community law enforcement, the community of law enforcement, political figures ask you to do certain things, listen carefully and do them. they've complied. and you look at these two individuals, you use one part of the family, use assimilation, it worked well. here, almost chameleon-like, one only knows what dented their hearts, what dented their heads, what ideological impulse drove them to this. but i think it sends a signal to all of us...
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the fbi, law enforcement, has to make this case out piece by piece. have to lock out claims. has to anticipate, perhaps they would try to use a mental health defense in the trial. you're getting so far along in this case you're thinking about the death penalty phase. at some point probably sooner rather than later you're going to end up looking at their childhoods, where they came from. it's a sweeping, really unparalleled investigation other than the 9/11 investigation. there's a blank check. it's a full-court press. it's a criminal investigation. but also obviously you need to ascertain that there's nobody else afoot with these kind of designs associated with these folks. >> and investigators would be looking at cell phone records, credit cards, photographs, all of that? >> there's essentially an unlimited supply of information they can get. travel records and the like. there will be an autopsy of these people that's really unparalleled. if they didn't pay a light bill on time, that will come up. they'll absolutely thoroughly go through this and rightfully so. >> now, micha
the fbi, law enforcement, has to make this case out piece by piece. have to lock out claims. has to anticipate, perhaps they would try to use a mental health defense in the trial. you're getting so far along in this case you're thinking about the death penalty phase. at some point probably sooner rather than later you're going to end up looking at their childhoods, where they came from. it's a sweeping, really unparalleled investigation other than the 9/11 investigation. there's a blank check....
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and we pledged to perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by law. when i recited this pledge last week, i could not imagine that work of national importance by civilians would be required here in boston so soon, but now all of us need to take up this pledge. we all have service to perform, and indeed we are all moved by the thousands of people who stepped forward in a moment of tragedy and confusion to serve. i want to salute everyone who ran towards the victim despite risk to themselves. everyone who gave blood, everyone who volunteered, shelter for stranded runners. i want to salute the members of law enforcement who are protecting us as we speak and to thank the people around the world who are sending messages of hope and solidarity. before us all the civilian work of national and even international interest. no one has to take a formal oath. we knew instinctively that we must rise to the occasion and act because of our common humanity. that is what makes us americans. one nation, under god, and now a prayer. dear god, oh, compassionate one, oh,
and we pledged to perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by law. when i recited this pledge last week, i could not imagine that work of national importance by civilians would be required here in boston so soon, but now all of us need to take up this pledge. we all have service to perform, and indeed we are all moved by the thousands of people who stepped forward in a moment of tragedy and confusion to serve. i want to salute everyone who ran towards the...
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scooter gave up his law practice, his white shoe law firm and everything to serve cheney and everyone in the country in his way. he was talking to everybody for cheney. at the time, cheney stepped back and acted like he had nothing to do with it. which is it, is he a soldier or an outlaw? >> don't forget, he lied for dick cheney. >> i know he did. how can he say it both ways, he wasn't doing our job for us and yet he died as a soldier on the field? your thoughts, wayne, because you brought it up. i don't know much about this relationship. why is he keeping a secret, what cheney told him to do? >> part of the key here is to look at it from cheney's point of view and bush's point of view. cheney believes it and george bush, what he saw at the end of his eighth year tenure who is elbowing him saying come on, the law be damned, let's give this guy a pardon, it was exactly the kind of thing that bush himself found repulsive in the case of other presidents, including bill clinton, he gave some pardons. >> he thought this is something i don't like. it was one guy who was the decider and it w
scooter gave up his law practice, his white shoe law firm and everything to serve cheney and everyone in the country in his way. he was talking to everybody for cheney. at the time, cheney stepped back and acted like he had nothing to do with it. which is it, is he a soldier or an outlaw? >> don't forget, he lied for dick cheney. >> i know he did. how can he say it both ways, he wasn't doing our job for us and yet he died as a soldier on the field? your thoughts, wayne, because you...
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supported by law enforcement officers. it was a common sense plan, but senator mcconnell ignored the will of the people. >> and democrats who voted against background checks or better background checks for gun buyers are hardly off the hook. the progressive change campaign committee ran this ad in seven newspapers across montana on sunday. this sunday. featuring local gun owners angry about senator max baucus' vote. joining me right now, david axelrod, former obama senior adviser. msnb political analyst and republican strategist john feehery. somehow i have a different attitude towards the republicans and the democrats who voted on this thing. i don't know why it is because i'm not always partisan. but i really do have a problem with mitch mcconnell. i would like to see him get stung hard on this one. why do i think like that? because he tends to be an s.o.b. generally? does anybody like that guy? >> you don't like mr. mcconnell but i like him. >> you like mr. mcconnell. >> i don't think this is going to hurt him. >> you'r
supported by law enforcement officers. it was a common sense plan, but senator mcconnell ignored the will of the people. >> and democrats who voted against background checks or better background checks for gun buyers are hardly off the hook. the progressive change campaign committee ran this ad in seven newspapers across montana on sunday. this sunday. featuring local gun owners angry about senator max baucus' vote. joining me right now, david axelrod, former obama senior adviser. msnb...
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he has instructed law enforcement officials, federal law enforcement officials, to continue to ask that question and try to get an answer to that question. you know, it's interesting historians will undoubtedly sort of debate the president's reaction and response to the boston bombings, much as they did with president george w. bush after september 11th, but what we saw yesterday in the white house was the president and his team really trying to keep pace with those quickly evolving events yesterday out of boston. the president noticeably staying out of public view. we didn't hear from white house press secretary jay carney yesterday. that because they didn't want to come and comment on this situation because there were so many unknowns and because it was developing and evolving so quickly. so, president obama, we finally saw him last night, but i can tell you throughout the day he was being briefed, he had a big briefing with his entire national security team in the morning. then again at about 4:00, he spoke with some of his top advisers, placed phone calls to governor deval patrick a
he has instructed law enforcement officials, federal law enforcement officials, to continue to ask that question and try to get an answer to that question. you know, it's interesting historians will undoubtedly sort of debate the president's reaction and response to the boston bombings, much as they did with president george w. bush after september 11th, but what we saw yesterday in the white house was the president and his team really trying to keep pace with those quickly evolving events...
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many americans thinking it's already the law. what is the disconnect in our democracy that allows this? >> it's not even the will. let's remember, it's the safety of the american public. i mean, we can demonstrate how this will save lives. right now n now on arms list.com, there's 73,000 guns available for sale. 94% of them are under this geist of private sales so they don't require background checks. every day it goes on, lives hang in the balance. it really is just that. it's not any deeper. there's a pure disconnect between what the american public wants. there are things to take heart in and inspiration from. several months ago, there would have been a filibuster on this. but these guys knew when the newtown families visited, when americans started calling their congress people, they knew that they were being watched and they knew they at least had to have the conversation. there was a bipartisan agreement with two a-rated nra senators. six voted in favor of this. the original brady bill pertaining to 60% of gun sales, it too
many americans thinking it's already the law. what is the disconnect in our democracy that allows this? >> it's not even the will. let's remember, it's the safety of the american public. i mean, we can demonstrate how this will save lives. right now n now on arms list.com, there's 73,000 guns available for sale. 94% of them are under this geist of private sales so they don't require background checks. every day it goes on, lives hang in the balance. it really is just that. it's not any...
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it will be against the law. it's not going to happen. on the other hand, i do think we need to keep in mind there may not be a single profile of a terrorist. timothy mcveigh obviously didn't look like or come from the same background as the people that blew up the world trade center, but in this city, anyway with the first world trade center explosion, then to the downing of the towers, subsequent plots, all of the terrorists, people who have tried to commit these acts have been muslim men. that does not mean we have a right or should survey every muslim man. it's not possible, not appropriate, not legal, it's not constitutional, but we do also have to recognize there is a set of facts and a fact pattern, and we need to understand why that's happening. and we need to take steps to do something about it. >> how do you do that in that isn't in a way that you seem to be targeting people ofs muslim faith. there are these common threads, you're going to be looking for people who exhibit those signs. how do you do that in a meaningful way? >>
it will be against the law. it's not going to happen. on the other hand, i do think we need to keep in mind there may not be a single profile of a terrorist. timothy mcveigh obviously didn't look like or come from the same background as the people that blew up the world trade center, but in this city, anyway with the first world trade center explosion, then to the downing of the towers, subsequent plots, all of the terrorists, people who have tried to commit these acts have been muslim men....
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so the fbi does what it says it's able to do under the law. they looked at whether he was in any of the federal databases of suspected terrorists or whether there was any indication that he was communicating either by phone or my looking at internet sites with any suspected terrorist organizations or individuals. they looked at his travel, travel history, all of that came up negative. so then they decided to interview him. they questioned him, questioned members of his family and after doing all that they said we've got nothing here. they said they went back to the russians -- or they went back to the foreign government and said we can't find anything, give us more. tell us more of what you think, why you think this and they say they never got a response. >> the obama administration has okayed the suspension of the suspect's miranda rights. is that a temporary suspension? >> reporter: yes, by law it is. it's called the public safety exception to the miranda rule. normally you have to tell someone they have a right to remain silent and if you d
so the fbi does what it says it's able to do under the law. they looked at whether he was in any of the federal databases of suspected terrorists or whether there was any indication that he was communicating either by phone or my looking at internet sites with any suspected terrorist organizations or individuals. they looked at his travel, travel history, all of that came up negative. so then they decided to interview him. they questioned him, questioned members of his family and after doing...
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meanwhile, law enforcement officials in massachusetts are combing through more than 2,000 tips, looking through photos like this one, shall shows a bag sitting by a mailbox before the explosion. it is unclear at this point whether or not the bag has any relevance, but appears to be near the center of the explosion. president obama will be in boston tomorrow to attend a memorial service for the victims. for the loved once of those killed and maimed in the explosion, there is only confusion and many unanswered questions. joining me today here in new york city, nbc news capitol hill correspondent luke russert, and misterrorism expert michael leiter, and bob herbert, a distinguished senior fellow at dimos. >>> let's go to kristin welker for more. >> reporter: alex, good afternoon. here's what we know at this hour. this letter was received yesterday at an off-site mail facility. i want to emphasize that. it did not get close to the white house. it's typical for letters sent to this facility to undergo a screening. during that process, it was discovered that a letter addressed to president ob
meanwhile, law enforcement officials in massachusetts are combing through more than 2,000 tips, looking through photos like this one, shall shows a bag sitting by a mailbox before the explosion. it is unclear at this point whether or not the bag has any relevance, but appears to be near the center of the explosion. president obama will be in boston tomorrow to attend a memorial service for the victims. for the loved once of those killed and maimed in the explosion, there is only confusion and...
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also, the fact we can't even pass a gun trafficking law, a national gun trafficking law that stops gang members from passing gun to gun to gun, who's against that? i don't understand how anybody could be against tough gun trafficking legislation. or background checks for criminals and terrorists. >> it's the same dynamic. but i think the dynamic is going to change. you're in one lane or the other. to get more people to cross lanes we've got to have an election cycle. >> senator bob casey, thank you very much for being on the show today. >> thank you. >>> tomorrow on "morning joe" -- >> i love, mika, the daily news covered it. you flashed. >> yeah. >> and the one last week. right after the lost vote. >> no. i mean, it's just -- absolutely, after the lost vote. >> talking about the cowards on the hill. >> mm-hmm. tomorrow on "morning joe" google executive chairman eric schmidt joins us here onset. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. ♪ [ male announcer ] purpose elevates what we do. raises it to a more meaningful place. makes us live what we do, love what we do and fills o
also, the fact we can't even pass a gun trafficking law, a national gun trafficking law that stops gang members from passing gun to gun to gun, who's against that? i don't understand how anybody could be against tough gun trafficking legislation. or background checks for criminals and terrorists. >> it's the same dynamic. but i think the dynamic is going to change. you're in one lane or the other. to get more people to cross lanes we've got to have an election cycle. >> senator bob...
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there's a law called the national defense act of 2012 that says specifically u.s. citizens cannot be tried in military tribunals. they're arguing he should be questioned as an enemy combatant and then turned over to the civilian justice system. i don't think this will change their view. and, of course, what the fbi says is this is what he has told them. but they have to now verify this. and of course, they are working to do that. >> all right. nbc justice correspondent pete williams. once again, thank you very much. >> you bet. >> and eugene robinson, thank you, as well. we'll be reading your column in the "washington post." >> and let me ask you quickly. are you surprised your home state of south carolina won on this background check issue is an 86/12 proposition? >> i am not surprised. i am floored. i know that district. and look at it on the map. i mean, if it's 86/12 in that district, then this ought to be over. and politicians ought to take a look at that because that's a very, very conservative swath of the state. and there you have the numbers. it's incredib
there's a law called the national defense act of 2012 that says specifically u.s. citizens cannot be tried in military tribunals. they're arguing he should be questioned as an enemy combatant and then turned over to the civilian justice system. i don't think this will change their view. and, of course, what the fbi says is this is what he has told them. but they have to now verify this. and of course, they are working to do that. >> all right. nbc justice correspondent pete williams. once...